Euromag - hight rate of fire issue

[Biker010]

Hello,

Well, ive got a Euromag (which is great) but I seem to have one problem with it.. Whenever its firing fast (around 15bps) it always seems to break a ball in the barrel. I can't figure out why either?
I assumed it was chopping, but 20 minutes of playing with a paintball glued to a stick and i can't make it chop at all. It never breaks anything at low speeds, but when it fires fast it just breaks paint.

Anyone else ever seen this happen? and any ideas what it is? :confused:

[balf]

is it breaking in the bolt/breach area or the barrel

[Biker010]

Very hard to say....

Like I said though i cant get it to chop so i assume its somewhere else?
Unless it starts chopping when it runs fast? I don't find any shell in the bolt so it may be as it enters the barrel?

I have got 3 different barrels too, to size to the paint so it shouldn't be tight in the barrel either?

I just can't figure it out.

[balf]

try over boring, whack say a .695 or a big size barrel on a smaller siz ball, if your still having trouble it may be a shootdown problem (bare with me here, mags are unknown to me) which would be an inline reg problem(i am assuming they use them here if not just ignore) or the recgarge rate on your tank not been fast enough to keep up with the mag.

if you shoot quick get a chop/break... stop whip the barrel of an see where the paint is if its only in the barrel just overbore and you shuould be fine, either that or you need a better recharge on your tank reg 9if your uing HP you should be fine, if your on an adjustable try squeezing it up a touch, if its LP switch to HP.

If its paint in the breach area it could also be a detent isuue or chopping(but as you said you cant get it to chop so i reckon we can eliminate that possibility)

anyway thats the extent of my knowledge so ill leave you in the hands of a mag person, hope you get it sorted

Balf

[balf]

it was worth a punt and now i know, wont be making that miistake again. :D

[Andy-YPC]

It is very rare for a mag to break a ball.

I think you may find that the high rate of fire is a red herring.

Quality of paint could be an issue, barrel size could also be an issue. I would go for a paint problem though.

The pressure behind the ball is around 80psi which is the same as any LP marker.

[JUGGERNAUT]

id echo the above and say paint or hopper

[Biker010]

Thanks guys, but i'm still not sure whats going on.

As gassy says its probably not feeding fast enough, but since it doesn't chop i can't figure out why that would hurt it? (an egg hopper)

Thing is I can play all day and not get a single break, but then if i use the rebound trigger it breaks straight away....
(and ive used at least 4 different types of paint through it, all do the same)

I think i'll just have to stick to single shot. :D

[biscuit]

biker borrow a reloader b or an halo off somebody and try that and see if that cures it if it does you know your hoppers not fast enough as you are probably at the limits of your eggs performance

[nathan]

my m8 just got one and he had no ball breaks untill he used different paintballs

[frosties]

Hmmm - I have seen the same as Biker 10, It was most definately only when I put it into mental mode (bouncy trigger). I too have a range of barrels, and get ball break in this mode.
Can't quite figure out where the ball break is occuring - The paint pours out of the Qlock and also the barrel - yet no shell... I have tried an egg, Velocity and reloader so I know it cannot be soley the hopper. The bolt is totally caked in paint after the game so something is not quite right.
If I do not use the bouncy trigger and shoot one ball at a time then no breaks at all. I have also used several brands of paint - Cobra, King Cobra, Blaze etc but they all react the same...
Andy - you saw this at ionman last month... everyone thought it was chopping purely because of the bouncyness... any suggestions? :D

[Andy-YPC]

The simple solution is not to get them bouncing. They are not designed to bounce and bouncing is not recommended.

If people want to shoot paint quickly at all costs, get a Tiwan, tin pot spray and pray electro.

Mags are precision engineered and only for the discerning player, this is why we need a worthyness test.

The level 10 bolt works by venting the gas from the valve tube in the first stage of the forward stroke if the bolt encounters a blockage. I would think that when the mag is bouncing, the time taken to vent the air is more than the time the valve takes to re cycle meaning that any partialy seated balls will be sliced.

Keep the mag below 15bps (which you should do with any gun anyway) and you should be fine.

[frosties]

Cool - I was intending to de-bounce my mag as it was becoming a bit unweildy...

[Andy-YPC]

Have a look at this.

http://www.automagsuk.com/level10.html

[frosties]

hmmm - looks remarkably like the instruction manual on the CD..?

[longi]

I'm having the same problem, I think it's to do with the paint to bore size. Apparently if you use a tight barrel and the paint is large(ish) the paint goes down the barrel, passes the stepping in the barrel and bounces about inside the barrel and breaks in the last 2 inches of the barrel. The cure should be to use a larger bore size, but i haven't gotten around to trying it myself.