View Full Version : Whats better SupAir or Woodsball?
Just wondering what people think about this question??? I'm sure we all know playing kit can be very expensive, and would agree that markers (and other kit) can be very different depending on what you choose to play. For example protective clothing is very different, depending on what format you play. Also as a beginner with limited cash, you may get stuck playing one or the other depending on what kit you have bought. What do you lot reckon???
Mr. Longbeard
08-01-2008, 11:39
Swings and roundabouts init
Try both and make your own mind up, wars have been fought over this question
frosties
08-01-2008, 11:43
Sounds like another North / South - Yorkshire / Lancashire question to me!
Daddy or chips.... I think it depends on what you want from paintball, what you enjoy (camo or power ranger) and how serious you want to get.
Is the glass half full or half empty ? Half full if you dn't like it, half empty if you do like it. Depends on the person really, I play both but prefer the woods. But i'll never tell an Air ball player woods is better as up to them to decide which format they like. Like telling a 1500 m racer he should do the hurdles really.
To.Dye.4
08-01-2008, 16:43
I would definatly like to have a go at air Ball as from the looks of it, i think it looks great. But the whole dont judge a book by its cover and what not makes me want to try it evan more. Ive only ever played woodsball but dont really know where i could play air ball. Never looked into it too much. Is there anywhere nearish york that air ball is open to play as a sort of newbieish beginer or are they all more tournament based?
Mr. Longbeard
08-01-2008, 20:22
Well I've resisted all day, but I cannae take it any longer;
wooHooo (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/R30Jeff/1-lame_ass_thread.gif)
Carnage looks like you are tyring to get "the big ass thread" award but you are going about it all wrong.
We are all paintballers... not wanna be nuggets that played too much COD4.
Well you're a hostile little fella now aren't you!!!!
Ok buddy you asked for it here's my point in full, hope you like the essay, lol :)
Picture this - you live in England and your a 16 year old Newbie, you can’t find a SupAir game locally (see To.Dye.4's post above), but there are loads of Woodsball games going on so you go play a few. You get keen, you spend what money you have on marker, money you got from your parents, or money you earned working for £5/hour at Tesco, you decide to get a Tippmann custom 98 (for example) cost roughly £90 i.e. 18 hours work!! You take it out the weekend after and play a few games but you keep getting shot cos you stick out like a sore thumb, so you decide to buy camo's - more money youngsters don't have. Not to mention you've totally destroyed your trainers, they're soaked and all muddy, so you go buy some good boots. You play more games and you get good, you dream of becoming a pro, then you realise that the kit you have is redundant in a SupAir format. You then look at buying more kit to suit but it's expensive and you've already invested a lot of money into your Woodsball kit. You’re now 17, the ladies are lookin good, you want a driver’s license and some wheels, plus you've discovered beer - which your parents let you drink of course ;) All of a sudden forking out another 5,6,700 quid on kit is not a viable option. So you stick with what kit you have and play the odd game hear and there for a bit of a laugh. Those dreams you had of becoming a pro dwindle, so you head down the pub with your old man and chase tail instead.
What happens next?
The sport begins to die, SupAir tournaments start loosing money, like Millenium (Laurent Hamet, Paintball games international Jan 08) and it all goes down hill from there.
In a nut shell, my point is that if you want to go pro there's no point playing Woodsball. The equipment, tactics, scenarios, tournaments, rewards, sponsors are completely different.
So Kenny R-13 Whats better SupAir or Woodsball?
seany boy
08-01-2008, 22:54
It's personal preference. As said before. Neither is "better".
P.s YORKSHIRE!
Fair enough - maybe the question isn't exactly worded properly.
Your doing your best to be smart with your reply. Its jus too easy for me to be smarter back but I would rather respond with a genuine answer so you see why my initial response was "Hostile".
First off - if you want to be a pro you will drop the beer, babes and wheels and put all your efforts in to working at "Becoming a pro". Professionals sacrifice aspects of their lives to become "Professional".
Secondly, the industry has experienced ups and downs as does any industry but your point isnt justified, its not because little tommy wants a car instead. Its more down to little Tommy spending his money in the US to buy a kitted out Tippmann. Thats why UK shops fall down, the very people who play at the sites dont buy from them.
My final point, you have obviously bought a few paintball mags so you know EVERYTHING now, maybe you should read some of the older issues that I still have and you will see alot of the key figures in paintball worldwide started in the woods when just goggles were worn and a mask was what you wore at halloween.
It all started in the woods. The woods is where it will always be.
Ken
Wow not only are you hostile, but you're touchy too!
Easy fella - I'm just joking!!!
To be fair, I think your taking this a little too personally.
I only posted the previous response cos you mentioned something about me wanting to start "the big ass thread". What that's about I don't know, but anyway...
I agree totally about what you said about going pro, ditchin the beer etc fair enough, but ditching women - now I'm worried, easy tiger just another joke!
As for as Tippman kit from the USA??? Its available in the UK online??? Check the website.
And as for my magazine purchase - actually read it online too???
I'm sure if you calemd down for a minute you'd see what I'm saying. It would be nice to have some consistency or maybe some kind of hybrid between SupAir and Woodsball in games, where all kinds of kit would be as effective as eachother. That way you wouldn't have to mix and match kit so much.
SupAir paintball gear with camo instead of colour highlights looks good and works in both cases, in my opinion.
Personally I haven't really played a proper game of SupAir, meaning that I don't think I can judge which is "better", but I have more money sunk into woodsball, a gf, car and minimum wage job, so I'll be there for a while...
But your enjoying it right? You can still do both... your gonna find it tough with something like a tippmann ut most sites can rent a marker. There are cheap electros out there. Lend one from a team mate or paintball pal. Loads of options.
But your enjoying it right? You can still do both... your gonna find it tough with something like a tippmann ut most sites can rent a marker. There are cheap electros out there. Lend one from a team mate or paintball pal. Loads of options.
Of course! Birthday closing in helps and if all ends well I'll be marshalling next month, which comes with a slightly better wage anyway. :)
PaintMagnet
09-01-2008, 00:22
It would be nice to have some consistency or maybe some kind of hybrid between SupAir and Woodsball in games, where all kinds of kit would be as effective as eachother. That way you wouldn't have to mix and match kit so much.
ah so you are thinking of a concept field (sup air bunkers in a woodland field).
or maybe kidderminster may be the answer a sup air field with trees and ferns (we weren't expecting them to be there nor did we expect broken bottles and beer cans either back in 2005).
now i may be wrong about the concept fields but the last i heard about them was waaay back in 2004, it was a 3 man tourney that i believe was a 1 off event.
there may still be concept fields being run but i don't think they were very popular.
Lambchop
09-01-2008, 07:21
last time i was at Kiddaminster i was marshaling on thet field and got shot to poo as it's narower than a boook of matches................
as for sup air i love the buz ect but if it was that popular then there would be more events surley?
Mr. Longbeard
09-01-2008, 12:20
In a nut shell, my point is that if you want to go pro there's no point playing Woodsball. The equipment, tactics, scenarios, tournaments, rewards, sponsors are completely different.
What a load of bollocks.
Woods V's Inflatable,
Equipment is the same, go to a walkon you'll find 90% of attendees using high end electro's as found on any sup air field.
Same goes for clothing, very few have full cammos unless they are a dedicated scenario team, you're more likely to find Eclipse, Angel etc etc clothing worn in the woods at a walkon / big game.
Everything else is different yet the same, tactics can be learnt on one side of the coin and tweaked for for the other, tounements happen in the woods and the sup air field.
Sponsership (support / discounted kit) happens in the woods as it does in sup air, just maybe more descretly.
Rewards, granted are different, aminly because a player will play in the woods for fun not profit.
In short, you sound like someone who has not taken any advise before jumping in the deep end and spluging his cash, only to then find another side to the sport.
Please grow up
zzzzzzz
Gees people on this forum are so narrow minded! Not to mention make unfounded accusations at will!!!
Nothing like fostering loyalty within the sport hey!!
If you read the threads correctly - money isn't the issue.
The same kit? What? Yeah bright blue jerseys are real effective in the woods. Not to mention a RAP phantom isn't gonna be any good in SupAir, shooting grenades at people in SupAir????? Paint mines in SupAir???? Dont think so mate.
FYI I'm 32 yo, 202 cm, 110 kgs - I think I'm all grown up. For a Super moderator your a little unprofessional.
I think we need a tournament to sort this out - are you prepared to put your kit where your mouth is?
Lambchop
09-01-2008, 12:33
how long have you been playing young sir?
Woodsball about 18 months as thats all that seems to be available where I live now, but played Supair for about 5 years back in my hometown.
Lambchop
09-01-2008, 12:41
just wonderd as so seem to going about this like a total noob
Mr. Longbeard
09-01-2008, 12:41
I think we need a tournament to sort this out - are you prepared to put your kit where your mouth is?
Would love to, next time I gear up I'll give you a shout, format of your choice.
The same kit? What? Yeah bright blue jerseys are real effective in the woods.
Yep, walkons I regulaly attended, bright colours were the norm. and suprisingly cammo has become the fashion staple for sup air players if you look though the 07 or 08 gear.
Not to mention a RAP phantom isn't gonna be any good in SupAir, shooting grenades at people in SupAir????? Paint mines in SupAir???? Dont think so mate.
Never seen any of that kit in the woods in my 3 years of playing, including tournies, big games or tournies :rolleyes: however if as I beleive you were asking could a woodsballer go and play sup air, then my answers stand, yes most in the woods use kit that is not out of place on sup air fileds, unless you are a dedicated scenario monkey and go for ghillie suits and sniping tactics, in which case you have no interest in sup air as you've made your choice.
If you read the threads correctly - money isn't the issue.
ahhh right you are;
You get keen, you spend what money you have on marker, money you got from your parents, or money you earned working for £5/hour at Tesco, you decide to get a Tippmann custom 98 (for example) cost roughly £90 i.e. 18 hours work!! You take it out the weekend after and play a few games but you keep getting shot cos you stick out like a sore thumb, so you decide to buy camo's - more money youngsters don't have. Not to mention you've totally destroyed your trainers, they're soaked and all muddy, so you go buy some good boots. You play more games and you get good, you dream of becoming a pro, then you realise that the kit you have is redundant in a SupAir format. You then look at buying more kit to suit but it's expensive and you've already invested a lot of money into your Woodsball kit. You’re now 17, the ladies are lookin good, you want a driver’s license and some wheels, plus you've discovered beer - which your parents let you drink of course All of a sudden forking out another 5,6,700 quid on kit is not a viable option. So you stick with what kit you have and play the odd game hear and there for a bit of a laugh
i must of misread that then :rolleyes:
Gees people on this forum are so narrow minded!
No people (myself included) are addressing specific points raised by you, personally paintball is paintball regardless of who is playing or what format they are playing.
FYI I'm 32 yo, 202 cm, 110 kgs - I think I'm all grown up.
Great that's nice for you, so your short and young, so why post like a teenager. :confused:
why do you say that?
Am I just coping heaps of flack cos I'm new to this forum or what?
Or are all you guys insular?
Lambchop
09-01-2008, 12:49
you're coping flack cos you aint listening
frosties
09-01-2008, 12:55
Carnage - I would sugegst that you let this thread die - you are on a loosing battle here. the Mods are lenient on this forum... much more than others.
On this forum there are some amazingly experience players both for SupAir and Woodsball - not to mention scenarios...
What they are saying (in english) is that your view is somewhat misguided and not accurate. Why not post up a qustion - what has changed since you last played - you may be surprised in the responses...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH This is great. Carnage how wrong are you dude. Seriously. I would love to actually talk face to face as your bravado is clouding your judgment totally.
Before I start £50 on Long beard to wipe the floor with you any format.
Ok, You gave the impression you were a kid... I saw it coming as you totally tied your self up. (See my earlier post!)
Now your going on and digging a hole.... you asked questions now your saying you have all the answers.
If you have the experience you claim you know the answers to your questions.
"Gassy....... warm up the stick"
You have weirded me out boy.
Lambchop
09-01-2008, 13:00
not how i would have put it Kenny, but i see where you're at
Dark Warrior
09-01-2008, 14:02
Play both
Get best of both worlds
Try to be reasonably good at both
Enjoy both
I Do
Point of Note
At least 2 of the top Ionman teams contain woodland players who are also very experienced ex supair players.
Therefore:-
Use every skill you can learn, to gain the best possible advantage on the field of play
Andy-YPC
09-01-2008, 14:33
Wise words there DW.
The top teams in the future will be the teams who are good at both supair and woodland. Both have very different skill sets.
Which is best though, that's all about preference. I personally prefer Woodland although thought the Northern Star 3 man sup air was really good. I also thought that Stargate this year was fantastic and that's scenario.
I would definatly like to have a go at air Ball as from the looks of it, i think it looks great. But the whole dont judge a book by its cover and what not makes me want to try it evan more. Ive only ever played woodsball but dont really know where i could play air ball. Never looked into it too much. Is there anywhere nearish york that air ball is open to play as a sort of newbieish beginer or are they all more tournament based?
I'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong but i think elsham is probably the nearest place. They used to always have the bouncy castles set up when i went to walkons there, in fact it was always a struggle to get enough players to play in the woods. And i'm pretty sure Destiny train there.
Inflatable trees, you know the day will come when someone does it.
Does it really matter which you play? As long as your having fun, and I know I personally enjoy doing both, just not as much as I wish I could
-Mat
Nah your are right lamb, i just get quite annoyed when newbies come on here running their mouths off. I have played a long time and have alot of experience yet there are some people on here who started when I was in play school... so I cant talk nevermind this wannabe.
Is this thread about what's the better format, or what makes the better player? I'm confused?
I also notice we seem to be arguing woods versus inflatable, but surely the format is the same (time based elimination and capture the flag), it's just the environment that is different. I think there are 2 distinct formats:
Fun / Recreational / Sport, which is time critical eminination based.
Scenario / Milsim, which is much more acted out or based on recreating Military events.
For Fun/Rec/Sport ballers, effective use of cover, speed, firepower, accuracy, ability to shoot offhand, snapshooting, field awareness, teamwork, coordination and planning etc, are all abilities required whether your on a sup air, concept, hyperball or woods field. A person who has mastered all of these will be the better player, regardless of what "environment" he / she prefers. Of course certain environments favour certain skill traits or tactics more, and some may wish to hone their skills to a certain environment but it's the individual themselves who has to choose how far to develop their individual skill not a product of the format / environment itself.
The same goes for kit. There is an optimum kit load out for elimination based paintball. It needs to be able to fire accurately, fast and consistently. Whilst durability maybe a factor, it doesn't help you win that many games.
Whether trees or dayglo bouncy castles it's all the same format as it's governed by a set of rules and constants. This is what 90% of us play, so where's the beef?
The other distinct format is Milsim / Scenario. Much of the emphasis is on emersing oneself in militaria, fantasy and pure strategy. Playing to win is less of a consideration, more the play acting. I'm sure it can be just as much fun and as rewarding, but there is very little kit and skill cross over as the basic aim is different.
Unfortunately in a headlong rush to try and legitimise "Sport" paintball (or even dress mutton as lamb) rather than embrace all collectively, lines of distinction are being drawn (where none exist).
To.Dye.4
09-01-2008, 22:06
Cheers for the help BOD, few thought my little question had got lost in a frenzie there :D :D
Oh well these things cant be helped. I shall be looking that one up anyway...
Thanks...
I think harrogate either had a field or still have one...
Ah finally someone with a brain!! Thanks Glen this is exactly the kind of discussion I was attempting to encourage. An informative, unbiased and conclusive viewpoint - nice work!!
I'm a woods baller and always will be it's where i started and it's where i'll finish, but thats not to say i don't appreciate and respect sup-air. I'm trying to put together a team for the Proto King Of The Hill Tournament as we speak (it's only a noob tournament but hey we'll see where it goes) if i don't like it i can at least say i've tried. I enjoy playing walkons. I enjoy Woodsball tournaments. I enjoy scenario games. Who's to say i wont enjoy a "proper" tournament?
As to the initial question which is better, i think the answer is obvious! Marmalade is the best!
PaintMagnet
10-01-2008, 18:47
ah but is it smooth marmalade or that right bitty one with the shreds of orange peel?
I have to say i'm a shred head (or is this gunna open a whole new topic? Which marmalade is better?)
Ah finally someone with a brain!! Thanks Glen this is exactly the kind of discussion I was attempting to encourage. An informative, unbiased and conclusive viewpoint - nice work!!
That's a quite insulting post you know? (not to Glen obviously!)
I think the trouble is you've had the answer but are failing to realise, it's actually quite simple:
if you like supair - play supair
If you like woodsball - play woodsball
it's all down to preference, eg. my wife like jacket spuds and i like mash either way we're both eating potatos!
As for marmalade? can't stand the stuff sorry:eek:
Carlos..
Mr. Longbeard
10-01-2008, 19:18
Crunchy peanut butter is where its at, marmalade is for the old and infirm :p
Lambchop
10-01-2008, 19:27
i know how that feels
Mr. Longbeard
10-01-2008, 19:32
Yeah it can get everywhere :eek:
Dark Warrior
10-01-2008, 19:42
That's a quite insulting post you know? (not to Glen obviously!)
I think the trouble is you've had the answer but are failing to realise, it's actually quite simple:
if you like supair - play supair
If you like woodsball - play woodsball
it's all down to preference, eg. my wife like jacket spuds and i like mash either way we're both eating potatos!
As for marmalade? can't stand the stuff sorry:eek:
Carlos..
What I am sick of is the haters who knock the other as if its a totally useless pastime
SupAir is like American Football a minority sport played all over the world with pockets of excellence dotted here and about
It is an acquired taste not to everybodies liking
What I am sick of is the haters who knock the other as if its a totally useless pastime
SupAir is like American Football a minority sport played all over the world with pockets of excellence dotted here and about
It is an acquired taste not to everybodies liking
I agree, i enjoy playing both to be honest but i tend to play a lot more scenario/big game stuff as i'd struggle to attend regular tournies (funny enough though i'm playing supair this sunday!)
I'm relatively new to paintball (almost 2 years is all) and one thing that immediately stood out to me is all the divides and hate, you get slated if you have an ion, angel, ego etc and then again if you play supair, woodsball, milsim and so on. considering this is such a small community that we're desperately trying to promote to the multitude, it's just crazy!
Carlos..
That's a quite insulting post you know? (not to Glen obviously!)
I think the trouble is you've had the answer but are failing to realise, it's actually quite simple:
if you like supair - play supair
If you like woodsball - play woodsball
it's all down to preference, eg. my wife like jacket spuds and i like mash either way we're both eating potatos!
As for marmalade? can't stand the stuff sorry:eek:
Carlos..
Apologies if I offended Carlos but have been coping some stick for this.
My intention was not to definatively say one was better than the other, but simply to prompt a discussion.
I agree, i enjoy playing both to be honest but i tend to play a lot more scenario/big game stuff as i'd struggle to attend regular tournies (funny enough though i'm playing supair this sunday!)
I'm relatively new to paintball (almost 2 years is all) and one thing that immediately stood out to me is all the divides and hate, you get slated if you have an ion, angel, ego etc and then again if you play supair, woodsball, milsim and so on. considering this is such a small community that we're desperately trying to promote to the multitude, it's just crazy!
Carlos..
I totally agree, I don't really care what the format is, I just love to play and compete. If it's with mates who respect each others skills and can have a good laugh at the same time with a bit of harmless banter then its even better.
I personally think what ever your level of skill, knowledge, experience we should be doing what we can to help each other to promote the sport as a whole in the hope that one day our kids can get the same money and respect as pro's who play other sports - like rugby, football, cricket etc. I would love nothing more than for my little man to grow up and get paid to play paintball. Then he could pay for me too and ive me all his old kit, just kidding but I'm sure you get the point :)
Dark Warrior
10-01-2008, 22:22
I must be in the minority as i enjoy both equally for differant reasons and do not take sides in these arguments.
Woods for the relaxed atmosphere and bigger game areas
Supair for the adrenalin and intensity.
Each aspect of paintball has a different buzz to it
Lasertag is cool too
I can't stand that pastime with the small projectiles but if thats what you like c'est la vie
D3ath ADder
11-01-2008, 19:29
Played both and loved both. I always thought Sup Air would cost more but the games are over so fast that sometimes you don't fire more than 100 balls off the break.
I can also confirm that when you're pointing your marker at the start gate before a game and you're waiting for the silent 10 second countdown to finish whilst looking at the 5 people who are about to let rip at you...your hearts pounding. Oh, and there are about 100 or more pople watching you through a net, so don't mess up!.
Woodsball is still mint though and the woodland tournies have a similar level of adrenaline rush.
Oh, and there are about 100 or more people watching you through a net, so don't mess up.
like curling up on the floor when some one come's to mug you,,:p
seany boy
12-01-2008, 08:38
Or doing a pirouette.......................
The foolowing is without malice and is only for clarification purposes :)
Carnage looks like you are tyring to get "the big ass thread" award but you are going about it all wrong.
In response to these flippant comments I feel it's worth pointing out that at present that this thread is at ......
Whats better SupAir or Woodsball? ( 1 2 3 4) 54 699
Even though getting "the big ass thread" was not my intention, looks pretty good from here.
We are all paintballers... not wanna be nuggets that played too much COD4.
COD4 on pc ( 1 2 3) 36 586
rentonc
Seems to be a lot of "nuggets" as it were interested in COD4 who play paintball....
Nah your are right lamb, i just get quite annoyed when newbies come on here running their mouths off. I have played a long time and have alot of experience yet there are some people on here who started when I was in play school... so I cant talk nevermind this wannabe.
I guess you missed this........
Woodsball about 18 months as thats all that seems to be available where I live now, but played Supair for about 5 years back in my hometown.
I looked up these symptoms on a medicinal website and this is clearly a case of "foot in mouth disease".
Carnage your just fueling an argument which doesn't need to happen, the paintball scene isnt going to die because of little jimmy wants a fiesta, the majority of paintball players i have met have been 18+ years old.
Carnage your just fueling an argument which doesn't need to happen, the paintball scene isnt going to die because of little jimmy wants a fiesta, the majority of paintball players i have met have been 18+ years old.
Little Jimmy can just get a second job and have both.
Carnage your just fueling an argument which doesn't need to happen, the paintball scene isnt going to die because of little jimmy wants a fiesta, the majority of paintball players i have met have been 18+ years old.
Only standing up for myself!
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