CPPS Rd 1 - Scores

[Dark Warrior]

Courtesy of Rich Harris

M7 Super League - After 1 round

Manchester Firm 100
London Tigers 94
Reading Entity 88
Manc. Method 84
Mad Monks 80
Disruption 76
Quake 72
Wolv. Warped 68
Ldn. Tigers Masi 64

M5PL league table - Ranked in order Pts.

Clan 27
Smokin Aces 24
Rebellion 21
Ratz 21
JT Dogs 21
So Manc 21
UK Asylum 18
Jcs Academy 18
Marshal Law 18
Dye Hard 18
Addiction 15
The Firm 15
Prophecy 15
Newc. Lockdown B 15
Team Nitro 15
Rebllious Kidz 15
Warped 15
MH3 15
Newc. Lockdown 15
Devastation 13
Zero Tolerance 13
No Limit Bridgend 12
Unity 12
Warlords 12
Warlords 2 9
Wst. Cst Spartans 9
Scottish Warriors 7
Outlaws 6
KU Nemesis 6
Xtinction 6
Rival Kidz 6
Spank 5
Onslaught 6
Lampeter Karma 6
UWE Underdogs 4
Birmingham Uni 3
UWE Insidious 0
Apocalypse 0

Team that are tied on pts are then ranked on elimination difference (not shown)

[sid_sidgwick]

what a great day.

[James25]

Yeah was a great day and we pretty pleased with our result from the day considering the mud made it hard work!

[liam-pb]

i disagree the paintball was good but the set up in my eyes was a bit poor, you are supposed to chronograph but some people wasn't all day, why not check FPS per everyplayer as well as BPS as this was never done so people could of got away with anything?

[nut1]

i disagree the paintball was good but the set up in my eyes was a bit poor, you are supposed to chronograph but some people wasn't all day, why not check FPS per everyplayer as well as shooting speed as this was never done so people could of got away with anything?

This was a great event and well run please order the sun next time rich.Time is always tight on a big event like this,but i do agree with liam the bps needed to be checked,as i think on our field there was a marker at 15bps and didnt get found until the last game,and one small gripe from my point the marshals could have done with squegees for the bunkers in between games as i "nearly" got pulled, for paint that rubbed off a bunker i was against,just my opinion.
gaz

[sid_sidgwick]

i disagree the paintball was good but the set up in my eyes was a bit poor, you are supposed to chronograph but some people wasn't all day, why not check FPS per everyplayer as well as BPS as this was never done so people could of got away with anything?

Most events dont check everyplayer per game otherwise youd never have time to play. Marshalls normally chrono a couple of players and keep their eyes and ears open for cheating guns as its a lot easier to spot thsn you may think. If people are prepared to cheat with things like BPS then they will also sure as hell wipe so id be more worried about that (not that I would ever know anything about such things) Im sure Rich will take this on board and make sure the refs conduct these checks in the future thats the good thing about Rich and the CPPS they listen to the customer.

[biscuit]

liam tell me a tournie with 40+ teams that chrono,s every marker that comes on field

also as sid said 15bps compared with 10.5bps is easy to hear

the marker in question was a luxe and the reason it was not spoted earlier

was that the guy using it was only single shooting most of the time and not ramping

as for the bunkers they were cleaned the best we could but have you ever tried to get that stuff off

i think not,plus how many player actually shoot there own bunker on the way in:D

old trick this to then turn round to the marshall and say it,s rub

quick point though guys try working at one of these events and you may understand why everything is done that way,even the master don,t chrono every marker nor do the mills or psp.

so whats wrong

[liam-pb]

i was only saying :S

[sid_sidgwick]

Tis good feedback Liam all feedback is helpful for Rich and the guys

[welshy]

biscuit chill.... lol
personal opinion... Rich can take it or leave it
dont get stressed bout it mann ....

[clarkieboy]

Great day really enyoyed the event ,good set up shame about the site being muddy due to the recent heavy wether! glad to get a 3rd placing look forward to next round.

[nut1]

liam tell me a tournie with 40+ teams that chrono,s every marker that comes on field

also as sid said 15bps compared with 10.5bps is easy to hear

the marker in question was a luxe and the reason it was not spoted earlier

was that the guy using it was only single shooting most of the time and not ramping

as for the bunkers they were cleaned the best we could but have you ever tried to get that stuff off

i think not,plus how many player actually shoot there own bunker on the way in:D

old trick this to then turn round to the marshall and say it,s rub

quick point though guys try working at one of these events and you may understand why everything is done that way,even the master don,t chrono every marker nor do the mills or psp.

so whats wrong

we are simply offering suggestions that WE feel could improve things,its not a criticism of any one/group so nothings wrong exept maybe our opinions.......

[biscuit]

welshy i,m so chilled i pee ice cubes:D:D:D

could have come out moaning about some of the decisions that got called in the afternoon

but hey thats paintball:D:D:D:D

nut your quite welcome to your opinions

but expect people to answer them:cool::D

also as said try getting involved in one of these events ,on the other side of the fence from a player.

believe me it will open up your eyes to a lot of things

to answer one of liams questions

we marshalled about 50 games

so if you chrono,d every gun and bps tested them ,every time they came on field that would be about 500 guns, taking on average 30secs to check
that would take on average 4hrs per an event just checking guns

same with the bunkers you can only do the best with the time you,ve got
it,s all a balancing act
:D

[Chaos]

as for the bunkers they were cleaned the best we could but have you ever tried to get that stuff off

i think not,plus how many player actually shoot there own bunker on the way in:D



i do............. :p but cos im special :D

[Chaos]

there is an ammendment to the scores this is the updated scores...........

CPPS Rd 1 scores

M7 Super League.

After 1 round.
Manchester Firm 100
London Tigers 94
Reading Entity 88
Manc. Method 84
Mad Monks 80
Disruption 76
Quake 72
Wolv. Warped 68
Ldn. Tigers Masi 64

M5PL league table.
Ranked in order Pts
Clan 27
Smokin Aces 24
Rebellion 21
Ratz 21
JT Dogs 21
So Manc 21
The Firm 18
UK Asylum 18
Marshal Law 18
Dye Hard 18
Addiction 15
Jcs Academy 15
Prophecy 15
Newc. Lockdown B 15
Team Nitro 15
Rebllious Kidz 15
Warped 15
MH3 15
Newc. Lockdown 15
Devastation 13
Zero Tolerance 13
No Limit Bridgend 12
Unity 12
Warlords 12
Warlords 2 9
Wst. Cst Spartans 9
Scottish Warriors 7
Outlaws 6
KU Nemesis 6
Xtinction 6
Rival Kidz 6
Spank 5
Onslaught 6
Lampeter Karma 6
UWE Underdogs 4
Birmingham Uni 3
UWE Insidious 0
Apocalypse 0

Team that are tied on pts are then ranked on elimination difference (not shown)

THE TWO IN BOLD ARE THE AMMENDMENTS!!!!

[liam-pb]

but i ment to do every gun once then after that just as normal one from each team if that makes sense... so then no cheating on rof can be made and also if some gun could need turning down health and safety can be thought of as mask are not supposed to be exposed to over 300 fps and can break under such force? if im right ?

its all just a sudgestion to make the tournament better than it is already, when health and safety is put forward then the tournament creates a better reputation for taking the players welfare into account giving the tournament a better look ?

all good still though as i said 'a sugestion'

[biscuit]

makes sense but when you got 250guns at an event,like yesterday

still looking at a couple of hours testing

thats why they set up chronos for you to do it

as for masks don,t worry liam they are made to withstand well above 300fps
nearer 500fps

just so you understand
if you go to a motor sport event all the checks are done the day before the event as it takes so long

for example the british gp the scutineering start on the thursday before an event
ok this is an extreme example but it shows you everything is about time

[biscuit]

just a quickie liam what if what you are saying could be done.

whats to say a player won,t alter it after it,s been checked

[liam-pb]

thats where the random checks come in ? and most people in paintball wont alter it after going by all the people i know are great to rules and helping eachother out?

[Dark Warrior]

One player per team is randomly checked before each game for fps
Bps is checked if a marker sounds unnaturally fast against all the rest on the field
Any marker can be checked at the end of game if necessary.

As for checking every player for bps & fps
2 teams of 5 players per game
80 games per field
800 checks even if you could do the checks simultaneously 15 sec apart
that would take 100 mins which is equivalent to each team playing one less game
Your choice

[Codiak]

Liam, if you have a problem with a gun on the field with regards BPS bring it to the marshals attention, after I noticed it going on against our B team, I spoke to my guys before they left the field to ask for a check, they did this and susbsequently the offender was done and their tam lost the game for it.

[Alex]

I know where your coming from Liam, your suggestion is sound although a little inpractical with the amount of time (think there must be an echo:D) if we where playing 09:00-16:00 then it could be done but time is against you when there is also an afternoon session, even marshals need a break :rolleyes: I was checked a few times over the on field chrono and also checked for bps, so it was done just not every one, think I must look untrustworthy

[NitroBall]

I got chrono checked most of the day, must be my sexy looks.

[liam-pb]

i see everyones point it was all just a sudgestion thats all but i see the impracticality of it...

[NitroBall]

i see everyones point it was all just a sudgestion thats all but i see the impracticality of it...

Suggestions, experience a lot of talking and fun :D

[clarkieboy]

guys its quite simple to get round this problem! as i always get checked ! make sure your guns are set up to the correct 10.5 bps and chrono at start of day before going onto the fields this stops problems with the marshals.but i still believe that all players should be checked .to be fair!

[Andy-YPC]

guys its quite simple to get round this problem! as i always get checked ! make sure your guns are set up to the correct 10.5 bps and crono at start of day before going onto the fields this stops problems with the marshals.

What!!.........!!!

[Stafford93]

1st game , usually everyone is checked for bps and chrono, only one of our team was checked..
i dont wana get involved in the sqwabble but maybe would be better if everyone was checked on first game


my team had 3 full bags of paint stolen while we were in a game.... that was a downer :(
nothing anyone can really do about it, i just wish people were more honest..

[Rich Harris]

Hi guys, cheers for the feedback.

We do normally check 2 from each team for fps but with a late start we had to try and catch up. BPS can normally be detected during game by sound and if caught is an automatic penalty. Same as a hot gun either caught during game, or with flag hang. Its not that we are lax with H&S its more that we have to be practical with the time frame we have and make the best use of it. Also we tend to be more on the side of trusting the players common sense and decency. Granted some will always try and take the piss, but with most aspects of cheating you will be caught eventually (unless your me) and you will pay the price.