Custom Colourisation...

[VagabondStarJXF]

I've just discovered that the process of annodising is really just basic scientific electrolysis with an added colouring stage. Has anyone tried doing a complete annodising job at home?

I've thought about just spray painting instead of going that extra mile and I've found a mod page to help but I'd really like some pointers on home anno jobs, how to do fades and splashes, if it's possible to do glittery and pearlescent finishes, how cheap is it to assemble the kit needed and whether it's worth the £100+ a pop just to have your marker shipped off to have the small bits done instead of doing all of this at home.

And is there anywhere that does this service in England apart from Belsales? They won't do anything but Autocockers.

[alan phoenix]

fury sports.

[VagabondStarJXF]

Where are they based?

How much do they charge?

Do they set limits on what they are willing to annodise?

[Bloody Whisper]

No don't tempt me too much money thrown at cocker already!

[Karizma]

I don't like the sound of that. I've only just started throwing money at mine. How much is too much. :eek:

[VagabondStarJXF]

I think too much isn't about the money you've got to spend or have spent but how much 'excess expenditure' you can recover from. :D

And by that definition I've definitely thrown too much money at my markers! lol

But I'd still like to know about the annodising Q's as I'm sure I'll get the money somehow... Where there's 'a will' there's 'a funeral' (namely my bank account's funeral!)

[alan phoenix]

www.furysports.co.uk (http://www.furysports.co.uk)

click on above and go to anodising.

[VagabondStarJXF]

Thanks dude.

And, like wow, they do 10 pieces with no limit to the parts or marker make!

[Jesterjedi]

hmm wonder if they do resin cast grip frames and if i would have to remove all the working parts first... that could be hard

[VagabondStarJXF]

Resins and plastics can't be annodised, unfortunately. It only works on Aluminium and Titanium alloys. Everything else is coloured differently.

[Tom]

You cant annodise stuff at home - as far as I understand it you need powerful acids and very high voltages, amonst other things.

[Mr. Longbeard]

You can do home anodizing.

Do a google for it, although for one or two markers it would be cheaper to get it done professionally

[Bloody Whisper]

Originally posted by Inknstuff
I don't like the sound of that. I've only just started throwing money at mine. How much is too much. :eek:

600 for the cocke with blade! 150 for freak! 115 for air canister pure energy! further 180 for for all the parts listed on signiture! and 65 for egg, 30 for drop kit plus i still want to get rex, supercharger kit for it! :rolleyes: :eek:

[VagabondStarJXF]

I've already done the research and I know what I need to get it done properly. It's just a case of working space for me... and affording the bits and pieces to do the job.

The acid(s) I can actually get from my local B&Q, as well as the electrical equipment and basins. It's actually quite a simple process, scientifically speaking (I actually paid attention during my Science classes!). It's just dangerous for the inexperienced (i.e. me) or the incredibly stupid to try.

I'm kinda cautious about trying it out though as I know about the consequences of playing with harmful substances thanks to idiots hurting themselves around me at school (Like I said... I paid attention during my Science classes!).

I might just let the professionals handle it if I can get a lot of pieces together to annodise. If I can't then I'll look into getting things done myself.

[Robboards]

http://www.fatbobsdirect.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103


Look at this i dont know if he still does it.:)

[VagabondStarJXF]

I just did a search on the shop site and it came up with the evo. I don't know if Fat Bobs still offers the anno service.

[Robboards]

PM him and see even if he doesnt he might know somewhere that does it.:)

[VagabondStarJXF]

Okaaaayyyyy...

I'm seriously thinking about doing this anodising thing at home (right after I've cleared the space). If I do go ahead with it I'll try to post my experience here to help anyone else who is thinking of going the same route.

I would just send my stuff off to Fury but they havent gotten back to me on my colour availability request. It doesn't matter anyway as there's no such thing as a White dye. Whatever I have to do to get my colour scheme and finish... well... it'll have to be done by myself.

At least then I'll truly have one unique marker! Especially if I mess it up! :D

I'm gonna start off with an old Spyder body first once I've managed to get one cheap (I ain't gonna mess up my Rodeo or Cocker on a whim ya know!).

[herrreeesjonny]

Originally posted by Tom
You cant annodise stuff at home - as far as I understand it you need powerful acids and very high voltages, amonst other things.

Having just done the first year of the GCSE sillabus, i am inclined to say that it takes a small current a long time to do a good bit of electrolysis.

As home anno, you could do basic stuff like plate it silver, with silver nitrate, a lump of silver and a lot of batteries!!!

[VagabondStarJXF]

I'd thought of silver plating but I decided that I wanted to do something a little harder.

All I need is some electrolyte (most likely Sulphuric Acid), some aluminium wire/foil and a decent amperage device. I think I know where I can get them locally... oh and some basins to work in.

Real basic science stuff, just on a slightly larger scale! ;)

The whole process should take me about a fortnight if I want to do things properly (stripping, re-anodising and finishing)

[herrreeesjonny]

Is this annodising for your autococker???

[VagabondStarJXF]

Nah... not yet anyway.

I'm thinking of doing another Spyder Project, similar to my Rodeo in specifications. It all involves a small CO2 tank with a custom mount, low pressure internals, short barrel, electric trigger and a custom made hopper (which I'm gonna need either an injection moulding or fibreglass kit). I'm seeking to have this thing pretty much a very light blue/green with chrome parts.

heheheheh I guess I want to know how far I can go with the bits & pieces and a twisted mind! :D

[herrreeesjonny]

Well i have to say that im tempted to try a cocker project, but frankly with a slight shortage of cash, and parents that would prefur me buying a crocodile than spending a lot on another marker (having had,an automag, old cocker, now a rebel) i dont think im gona be doing it soon!!

[VagabondStarJXF]

Originally posted by herrreeesjonny
Well i have to say that im tempted to try a cocker project

Yep me too...


Originally posted by herrreeesjonny
but frankly with a slight shortage of cash

and me three!

I've thought about building my own cocker from scratch but I've found that it'd be cheaper for me just to buy the latest high end cocker rather than build one to the same spec. The only advantage to me building a high end cocker is that I could anodise it myself if my anodising plan works.

[Tom]

Originally posted by herrreeesjonny
Having just done the first year of the GCSE sillabus, i am inclined to say that it takes a small current a long time to do a good bit of electrolysis.

As home anno, you could do basic stuff like plate it silver, with silver nitrate, a lump of silver and a lot of batteries!!!

Electrolysis and Annodising aren't quite the same thing (nearly but not quite) :(

[VagabondStarJXF]

I've just found a site that sells a home anodising kit! The only things missing are the basins, a power source and a heat source. If they tried supplying those you'd probably be better off buying a house for the price it would jump to. :rolleyes: ;)

[Rick TEDDER]

Originally posted by VagabondStarJXF
I've just found a site that sells a home anodising kit! The only things missing are the basins, a power source and a heat source. If they tried supplying those you'd probably be better off buying a house for the price it would jump to. :rolleyes: ;)

have you got a freind/servant called egor by any chance. if you have'nt i have a feeling you will soon aquire one, sounds to much like frankensteins revenge to me if you start writing maniacal laughter in your post's we'll know it worked :D :D :D

[VagabondStarJXF]

Originally posted by Rick TEDDER
... if you start writing maniacal laughter in your post's we'll know it worked :D :D :D

You haven't seen my other posts! You'd think I'd created a monster a long time ago :D

[Rick TEDDER]

Originally posted by VagabondStarJXF
You haven't seen my other posts! You'd think I'd created a monster a long time ago :D

i have read quite a few obviously i was mistaken what i beleived to be a rare sense of humour was merely the onset of a crazed craving to create the ultimate lifeform :D

"quickly watson i have tracked moriaty to his lair who would have thought that fat bob's would harbour such as him" :) :)

[VagabondStarJXF]

The place where I can get the home anodising kit also sells a complete guide to safely doing the home anodising thing. I tell's ya it's amazing. All I gotta do is clear a decent amount of space in my garage and then I'm ready to get the necessary equipment.

Meanwhile, as the Dynamic Duo speeds back to the Batcave...

[Rick TEDDER]

have you looked at these web sites www.environment-agency.gov.uk this has some information about handling and disposal of chemicals used in anodising ,and www.manufacturingtalk.com this has some interesting info about a new process called microplasmic coating hope you find these of some use:)

[PReDiToR]

A great site for anodizing (http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize.html) This explains the process pretty well, I think it is something that I would try at home.

[VagabondStarJXF]

Yep, that's the one that sells the stuff needed to do the anodising thing at home. Nifty eh?

[herrreeesjonny]

Can you do fades with that kit??

[VagabondStarJXF]

You should be able to. It all comes down to technique once you're all set up.

[VagabondStarJXF]

Does anyone know anywhere in the UK that does 'Powder Coating'? I've seen some markers that have had this done Stateside and it appears that this technique has more colours and finishes possible than anodising. The ones I've seen look really nice!

[herrreeesjonny]

I have seen "laser ingraving" which also looks pretty cool, not sure where to get it done tho....is belsales not good??

[VagabondStarJXF]

Belsales do anodising. They don't do anything else and they won't touch anything other than WGP and Belsales bodies (i.e. nothing but 'Cockers).

[herrreeesjonny]

Ah bit of a problem if u want a spyder done! R u gona anno ur cocker tho?

[VagabondStarJXF]

Nope. She's got a simple classiness as she is.

[herrreeesjonny]

She really can hold her own.... and its pure comedy watching your confidence when you hold her standing in the middle of the field plugging away!!!

[Joey]

Justin,

After all the TLC and loving care you have shown your markers, it would be a shame to mess it up with a botched home anodising kit. (Not saying you would muck up. . .but you know it 'could' happen)

Scutty at Fury sports does a great job, many of the Campaign guys have had guns done by him.

And if Andy (Fat Bob) still does anodising, I'm sure his work is top notch too.

Scutty knows where to have the dust/powder finish done as well, although I have yet to see a gun in the 'flesh' with this coating.

As for laser engraving, I don't know anywhere here that does it, the only place I can think of that does them regularly is a place in the states. John from FBM does ano and engraving. http://www.fbmfactory.com/

He did Angel from Dynasty's gun (the blue dynasty shocker with the 'Gucci' pattern engraved on it)

Good luck, and I hope the kit works well for you.


Joey

[herrreeesjonny]

Scutty at Fury sports does a great job.
Do they have a web site, cos i searched on google and didnt find anything?

[Parksy]

www.furysports.co.uk

Have to say they do an absolute top notch job there as well :)

[3mc-Obins]

I don't fancy sending my marker anywhere by royal mail (I've worked in the post office - You'd all be shocked) and I'm too cheap to send courier so I'm going to go down to the local bike shop and see if they know anything.

[VagabondStarJXF]

I need to know of places, any places, that do powder coating in the Croydon/Merton area. Even if it's just an automotive place. I'd like to check out thier work before I entrust them with my paintball parts.

[shep]

I have had numerous things powder coated on my FZR1000 & its a great finish, but is prone to chipping if it gets a hard knock have thought about having a marker done,but was concerned about the duribility(sp?).
Was also looking at another process where a pattern is floated on water & then the parts are dipped,the pattern sticks to the parts & covers,I know thats not explained very well & I can't find the post as p8ntballer site is down,But they do alsorts of stuff real tree etc. on thgings such as shotguns,rifles inc. the telescopic sights so it covers really well. found it http://www.hydrographics.org.uk/