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    Question Azodin Kaos Pump - How do you stop it from "farting?"

    Hello peeps.
    Ive recently purchased an Azodin KP and hoping it comes in the next few days.Now,I know I should prob wait and try it first,but alot of the videos and reviews Ive read seem to state that this marker has a bad case of wind.Ive seen a few vids on youtube on how to fix it,from clarting the striker in Hater Sauce (please forgive me if its spelt wrong,) to changing the spring with a Piranha spring,etc.
    Are any of these true,or is there a simple fix that can be put together without throwing mountains of cash at it?
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    There's no real performance issues between a pump that "farts" and a pump that doesn't - it's just the hammer bouncing off the valve. You'll mostly lose a bit of air efficiency.

    The AKP is Spyder/Stacked Tube Blowback in design, but it's operation is very similar to an Autococker's. Autocockers, and pumps, rely on a balancing act between their regulators input pressure and their IVGs tension on the main spring, in order to perform at it's "best". Getting an adjustable reg could help you balance the two, and help find the "sweetspot". http://cockertech.net/achowto/49-achowsweetspot

    You could also pick up a Autococker spring kit and a Spyder spring kit. These might be hard to find in the UK, but they won't be too expensive. From here, you can balance using the springs; use the Autococker springs as main springs and the Spyder springs as valve springs.

    Keep in mind, this could be a lot of time, effort and money to invest upon what is effectively a budget pump gun - the Stacked Tube Blowback operation was not designed to be a pump.

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    Cheers mate.It has an adjustable reg on it,well according to manual.Can it be done with the stock reg or would I need to buy a replacement?

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    you should be able to. its sounds like the problem its a too stong rear spring or a too weak valve spring.

    until you recock the hammer is free to move, so after the hammer hits the valve theres enough energy to propel the hammer back in to the valve pin and re opening the valve but not fully so you get the fart noise. the valve spring might need to be change so it puts more force behind the valve pin meaning it takes more force to open it. This is where you need a spring kit to balance the springs. If you have a really strong valve spring and a really weak hammer spring. the force put in to the hammer as you release the sear wont be enough to depress the valve fully so you wouldnt get enough air flow and vise versa.
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    Ah,it all makes sense now.Thank you for your help.I shall experiment shortly and let you know how I get on.Thanks again

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    Right,Ive put air through it an the farting aint that bad.It is however,leaking air around the air line that comes out of the ASA,if that makes sense.Ive tried to get the little plastic pipe out,but it wont budge.It does however,come off at the reg end.Any ideas how to get it out or fix it?

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    sounds like the macro line isnt sealing, depress the head of the connection and pull the macroline out. find something nice and sharp and cut the end so its square
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    It wont come out.lol.Other end comes out fine.

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    pull harder
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    Haha.It wont budge.I tried with pliers too.I think I have managed to stop the leak.I put a couple of drops of lube down the holes in the ASA and it seems to have sorted it.lol.Although,When unscrewing the bottle,the top part of the reg started to move,and is now stuck in the ASA.I dont have an allen key the right size as it seems to be a stupid size and is in between the 2.Doh.When I try to unscrew it,theres a hell of a crunching noise,which Im assuming is the threads.Oh,and the O-ring on the top split so I used that to safely vent the air.Just not my day....

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    Weaker main spring / stronger valve spring would help stop farting but why would you want to? (unless you're running a 13ci tank and need the efficency). Anyone who's played when I've been playing with my pumped eclipse cocker will tell you the noise brings a smile to every immature paintballers face (and if a paintballer tells you he isn't immature ask him why he's running round the woods playing army).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stencil View Post
    Keep in mind, this could be a lot of time, effort and money to invest upon what is effectively a budget pump gun - the Stacked Tube Blowback operation was not designed to be a pump.
    You do realise the stacked tube blow back is a pump with the hammer and bolt linked and a valve stem with flat spots on it? - the AKP is exactly the same as a sheriden pump or a sniper in terms of how the valve / bolt works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder View Post
    You do realise the stacked tube blow back is a pump with the hammer and bolt linked and a valve stem with flat spots on it? - the AKP is exactly the same as a sheriden pump or a sniper in terms of how the valve / bolt works.
    > implying Spyders and Autocockers are the same gun.

    Stop being pedantic.

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    Well,first game using this on Sunday and about 30 minutes later,it had blown the O-ring in the regulator.Grabbed the spares bag,and there wasnt one,so that was that canned for the day.

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    If you bought it new azodin are supposed to be very good at sending out spares needed to fix. That or grab a reg off a spare marker and screw it in.

    the issue of removing the bottle from the ASA, usual enough fair if you don't have an on/off ASA, trick is try to unscrew until you hit resistance, then pump and fire and try again, you should be able to unscrew a bit further, if not pump and fire again. Depending on what site you're at you might have to do this before entering the safe zone.

    Anyway get it fixed and enjoy your mid block sniper! (and explain to anyone that calls it a spump that it fires from a closed bolt).

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